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what is the point of our species?

April 2nd, 2003 (07:26 pm)

I seriously want to know. I don't think we have a declared point. Most
of our current wanking is being consigned to the radio-wave shell
surrounding our world. (and it's really rather embarassing "did you hear
about the humans? they're still fighting like children! I guess we
won't direct our greeting messages at them!".)

It seems to me that we're wanking. (I can imagine the generals
shaking their heads staring at the burning oil wells thinking
of all the trips to the corner store, or the barbies, or the plastic
bags, or the industrial solvents that are now vanishing in smoke).

I protest: we aren't simply breeding machines.


Posted by: Jacqueline Russell-Terrier (tikva)
Posted at: April 2nd, 2003 11:33 am (UTC)

I believe that the human purpose is to learn as much as possible and to give and receive love. Of course, I may well be alone in this, and these goals may be meaningless to other people. *shrug*

Posted by: John (dolohov)
Posted at: April 2nd, 2003 11:45 am (UTC)

Our point is our own, and our purpose is whatever we decide it should be. For many people, religion provides these answers. For others, the driving desire for personal luxury or prestige. For still others, a passion for love, learning, or experience.

If anyone shared my goals, I'd have to kill them.

Posted by: quasi random (kaolinfire)
Posted at: April 2nd, 2003 11:54 am (UTC)

why in hell would there be a point? just to make people happy? or to tie up all the loose ends in the novel?

I mean, yeah, okay, a point could be nice. I've picked one, not entirely formulated, and I'm running with it... (but as the other folks have noted, this is a personal thing)

we exist. do something with it. [or don't.]

Posted by: green tea fox (teafox)
Posted at: April 2nd, 2003 12:06 pm (UTC)
i concur

Netwined has it, we don't have a point, we are an outgrowth of biology. Yeah, we're more aware and capable of manipulating the planet/our environment than other species but just because we could achieve some point or conclusion (probably a planet-wide nuclear holocaust or environmental disaster or the wrong comet at the wrong time) doesn't mean that we're supposed to. No species has a point, each animal has a goal to survive as well as reproduce, it doesn't specifically care about the species as a whole. Likewise humans are largely selfish bastards, the uniqueness of our species is probably the ability to extensively describe and hate all the little bastards we share existence with. Thats a bit far I suppose but points are something individuals have to find or structure for themselves....

Posted by: zentariana (zentariana)
Posted at: April 2nd, 2003 01:33 pm (UTC)

i don't see why we need a point. i mean, what's the point of a blade of grass in my yard? what's the point of that water molecule? people spend too much time trying to make themselves significant.

we're here because the sperm got into the egg and, miraculously, not too much went wrong.

Posted by: Kirin (kirinn)
Posted at: April 2nd, 2003 05:43 pm (UTC)

"I protest: we aren't simply breeding machines."

I think we're at that juncture in our evolution where we're transitioning from being breeding machines to being thinking machines. We're just not terribly good at it yet.

Posted by: Jered (jered)
Posted at: April 2nd, 2003 06:19 pm (UTC)

Why does there have to be a point?

As some level, the rules that the universe follows are deterministic, and we are merely a collection of mathematical expressions in that problem space which are particularly good at maintaining our coherence and replicating.

Free will is an illusion based on the fact that we cannot simulate what we will do faster than we actually do it. We cannot construct a computer within this universe that is faster than the computer that is the universe, so the future (within our frame of reference) is truly unknown.

Posted by: the analyzer (analyzer)
Posted at: April 2nd, 2003 09:47 pm (UTC)

Hi there - I am writing because you used to have me on your friends list and I may have accidentally pushed you off (I was messing with my LJ code and somehow managed to take myself off of a bunch of people's friends lists).

Anyway if you didn't mean to drop me please re-add me to your friends list!

Posted by: the coproduct of doom (oonh)
Posted at: April 3rd, 2003 12:40 pm (UTC)

You're readded.

Posted by: ((Anonymous))
Posted at: May 30th, 2003 04:10 pm (UTC)

"Life and love are life and love, a bunch of violets is a bunch of violets, and
to drag in the idea of a point is to ruin everything. Live and let live, love
and let love, flower and fade, and follow the natural curve, which follows on,
(D. H. Lawrence)


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